How you feel about Alma

[Adrianna]

To say there is no cure is a very defeatest and medievil approach. They used to think there was no cure for a lot of things, or that the only way to cure them was leeches and to stick your head in a bucket of cow dung or some other such approach.

There may not have been a specific cure at the time, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have found one if they'd tried.

[AlmasBoy]

Originally Posted by Adrianna

No it was the reference to hippies sticking flowers in guns. I know it happened in real life, but there is a scene of that at the beginning of a film that I have recently become obsessed about called Watchmen.

Ahhh, now it makes sense... I've OF the movie, but haven't seen it...

Originally Posted by Shmuck

Alma's problem isn't a mental disorder. She's extremely sensitive to the negative thoughts and emotions of people around her. There is no cure for that 'affliction', and her behaviour is a result of not just abuse, but because of her perceiving the world as being a painful, horrific place.

That "perceiving the as being a painful, horrific place" statement sounds like possible psychosis to me, or at least could have been reasonably interpreted as such by doctors at the time, when they were wondering WTF Alma's nightmares and other shit were all about.

After all, you're one of the people who's always using the word "psychotic" in posts describing Alma.

[Shmuck]

Originally Posted by AlmasBoy

Ahhh, now it makes sense... I've OF the movie, but haven't seen it...




That "perceiving the as being a painful, horrific place" statement sounds like possible psychosis to me, or at least could have been reasonably interpreted as such by doctors at the time, when they were wondering WTF Alma's nightmares and other shit were all about.

After all, you're one of the people who's always using the word "psychotic" in posts describing Alma.

She is psychotic, but she's also an incredibly powerful psychic. A side-effect of those psychic abilities (and the reason why she is so powerful) is because she is attuned to those negative emotions. It's not a simple mental disorder that she has, she's hard-wired to the bad side of people around her, that's why she's so powerful. We see her nightmarish world, infested with inhuman creatures in the first game, and we see a dark, corrupted version of the real world in her hallucinations in the second game. She perceives the bad side of the world, it is not simple insanity.

Even if the people around her put their full effort into helping her, it is unlikely that she would be a well-adjusted, healthy person. In fact, I think she'd probably commit suicide before she reached maturity, being unable to cope with her existence.

[AlmasBoy]

Originally Posted by Shmuck

She is psychotic, but she's also an incredibly powerful psychic. A side-effect of those psychic abilities (and the reason why she is so powerful) is because she is attuned to those negative emotions. It's not a simple mental disorder that she has, she's hard-wired to the bad side of people around her, that's why she's so powerful. We see her nightmarish world, infested with inhuman creatures in the first game, and we see a dark, corrupted version of the real world in her hallucinations in the second game. She perceives the bad side of the world, it is not simple insanity.

Even if the people around her put their full effort into helping her, it is unlikely that she would be a well-adjusted, healthy person. In fact, I think she'd probably commit suicide before she reached maturity, being unable to cope with her existence.

Hmm... Now it's not simple insanity... You're not doin' a flip-flop on me now, are ya, Schmuck?

In any case, that doesn't mean that a little more proactive intervention couldn't have helped change course, especially at the age when it supposedly was first noticed. Age 2, 3 or 5, or something, wasn't it?

[Shmuck]

Originally Posted by AlmasBoy

Hmm... Now it's not simple insanity... You're not doin' a flip-flop on me now, are ya, Schmuck?

In any case, that doesn't mean that a little more proactive intervention couldn't have helped change course, especially at the age when it supposedly was first noticed. Age 2, 3 or 5, or something, wasn't it?

Alma is insane because of the things she's gone through, and because of the fact that she's naturally attuned to the negative side of people around her.

[Shmuck]

I'm reviving this thread just to say...

I am not conforming to your extremely limiting poll, Alphamalet. I am firmly in the middle, between disgust and sympathy (not fear, aside from the logical feeling of being creeped out by her story), when it comes to my feelings on this particular character.

(Incidentally, I feel exactly the same thing for Walter Sullivan of Silent Hill 4, but only other people who know that game's story would understand why...)

I think they should make her become normal-like she was healed but then she struggles with her old self during the whole game or story-She would be much hotter- Not half dead- And what a twist - We could see alma's good side - Or backside - Which ever you prefer

[alphamalet]

Originally Posted by Shmuck

I'm reviving this thread just to say...

I am not conforming to your extremely limiting poll, Alphamalet. I am firmly in the middle, between disgust and sympathy (not fear, aside from the logical feeling of being creeped out by her story), when it comes to my feelings on this particular character.

(Incidentally, I feel exactly the same thing for Walter Sullivan of Silent Hill 4, but only other people who know that game's story would understand why...)

Posts like this were why I was glad this thread died...

This is just gonna turn into the same thing it has the past 4 times we did this.

"Alpha your poll is flawed blah blah blah"

This quote from 7 months ago describes what I was trying to do (and is ironically directed to you) lol dejavue .

Originally Posted by alphamalet

well do you feel more sad for her or more scared of her shmuck..., i didnt want to put a "middle of the road option" because thats the only thing they would have chosen. I wanted you to think, make a choice that you labor over, and once you decide, tell us what you thoughts of that brought you to that conclusion. Thats the whole purpose of the poll, i didn't want to give you guys an easy route, i wanted you to come to a decision, really take a stand so to speak, so there would be a meaningful discussion.

I would suggest letting this thread die before it turns into what it did 7 months ago

[Shmuck]

Because I CAN'T honestly pick a vote without not being true to how I feel.

[d2r]

It's why I didn't, back when this thread was active.

Although I find your reasons for reviving the thread somewhat arcane.

[Shmuck]

Originally Posted by xNBKxTeamX-Box

I think they should make her become normal-like she was healed but then she struggles with her old self during the whole game or story-She would be much hotter- Not half dead- And what a twist - We could see alma's good side - Or backside - Which ever you prefer

Pervert.

This is one problem with Alma's 'sexy' form in F.E.A.R. 2. A lot of people bemoaned the fact that she had apparently become a 'sex kitten', completely failing to realise that she still remains a creepy and insane killer, and that it's their own fault to not be disgusted by her attempts to rape you. Because, yanno, having nice hips completely negates any evil you've committed.

[d2r]

Originally Posted by Shmuck

Pervert.

This is one problem with Alma's 'sexy' form in F.E.A.R. 2. A lot of people bemoaned the fact that she had apparently become a 'sex kitten', completely failing to realise that she still remains a creepy and insane killer, and that it's their own fault to not be disgusted by her attempts to rape you. Because, yanno, having nice hips completely negates any evil you've committed.

I agree. It's selective thinking.

[Shmuck]

Now, rather than asking whether you think she's evil, I'll ask...which emotion do you feel more for her:

Revulsion, pity, hatred, sympathy, or fear?

[will_1957]

As far as the original post, I have never really been scared by Alma. So I guess I feel sad for her if that's the other option.

Otherwise, I think I have to wait to see where they go in portraying Alma in the third game. My feelings fall into a kind of a grey area and I'm not really sure how I feel about the character.

[Shmuck]

Originally Posted by will_1957

As far as the original post, I have never really been scared by Alma. So I guess I feel sad for her if that's the other option.

Otherwise, I think I have to wait to see where they go in portraying Alma in the third game. My feelings fall into a kind of a grey area and I'm not really sure how I feel about the character.

Same here, which is good. I like having characters who make you uncertain about how you really feel to them. Walter Sullivan's an oft-mentioned example, but it's because he's just as interesting as Alma is to me.

[Unholy_Angel]

Shes....a nice person

[Shmuck]

She'd better be, she's your mum.

 Maybe! 

[SDMF_TrueBlue]

I completely pity her. She got her vengeance but cannot rest. Now she seeks to amend the wrongs she endured by giving her child the love and *cough* chance she never had. I hope that Alma's spirit is freed in the third game and she can finally rest. By that same token, I sympathize for her. She never got a chance to be a child or live a normal life. She caught in a very awkward stage between childhood and womanhood- part of her wants to be the little girl she was before being forced into Project Origin, The other part of her wants to give a child the things she did not have growing up.

[Shmuck]

Yeah, I feel that, and I also see her as being incredibly violent, immature, petty, and malicious. She's not a sociopath or someone who is aware of their evil actions, but she's still 'evil'. She's still the main antagonist of the series, as far as I'm concerned. (Aristide/Armacham, and perhaps Salyers, are the real villains.)

[PUREVENOM]

Just answering the question of the poll, I'd say scared of her. At least in F.E.A.R. 1 anyway, since one time she actually made me jump when I turned around and there she was right dead in front me.